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of the ongoing peace between egypt and israel? is that at risk? >> it's very much at risk. i think that, look, the egyptian public wants their now democratically elected government to do something, to show some kind of strength, to show that they will not acquiesce in the israelis beating up palestinians. so far the egyptian government has not responded to its people, but after awhile a democratically elected government can't keep saying no to its own people. >> when the ambassador said just now, listen, we left gaza and they should have had prosperity and everything else and they've ruined it and gone to terrorism, it seemed to me a pretty simplistic view of what's happened on gaza. gaza is to many people one of the key problems in the region because of the terrible oppression and whatever the right phrase is for it of the palestinian people. it's an awful place for people to try and live, isn't it? >> first one has to say as you did, the israelis are justified in doing something when all these rockets are being fired at them. so
of the ongoing peace between egypt and israel? is that at risk? >> it's very much at risk. i think that, look, the egyptian public wants their now democratically elected government to do something, to show some kind of strength, to show that they will not acquiesce in the israelis beating up palestinians. so far the egyptian government has not responded to its people, but after awhile a democratically elected government can't keep saying no to its own people. >> when the ambassador...
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egypt has, in fact, i think hamas will go out. but if egyptians are telling hamas, we got the muslim brotherhood, and we've got to find a way out of this, with some stability intact, that's going to be a whole different outcome. >> fareed, how do you see this? >> no question, it's justified. the attacks were out of gaza by hamas, were completely -- they had gone crazy in temps of the scope, intensity, and hamas was openly taking credit for them, rather than disavowing them. the problem, netanyahu people, bibi and barack, they have a tactical approach. hitting back and trying to do this. israel has invaded gaza, and they have economically choked gaza, they have succeeded. they have overwhelming force. what is the strategy to deal with gaza? how does this help israel in its long-term strategy? how does it play out with the regional strategy where israel's relations with egypt have deteriorated. ity relations with turkey has deteriorated. no question, it's justified. is it smart? >> real concern about regional instability. >> if you
egypt has, in fact, i think hamas will go out. but if egyptians are telling hamas, we got the muslim brotherhood, and we've got to find a way out of this, with some stability intact, that's going to be a whole different outcome. >> fareed, how do you see this? >> no question, it's justified. the attacks were out of gaza by hamas, were completely -- they had gone crazy in temps of the scope, intensity, and hamas was openly taking credit for them, rather than disavowing them. the...
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egypt has recalled its ambassador to israel. in the meantime, the u.s. state department condemned the strikes fired from gaza and supporting israel's right to defend itself. i talked about all of this with sara sidner and also david kirkpatrick of "the new york times" and cnn's fareed zakaria. what is the latest on the attacks and the fallout? >> what we are seeing are more rockets coming into israel. there have been dozens of air strikes, as well since the killing of ahmed al jabarry, who is the leader of hamas' military wing, but he is also one of the founders of hamas. we are talking about a huge blow to hamas, and now the government there in gaza. israel is also telling us, and we've just heard this from its military spokesperson, that they are bringing in reservists, but they are considering a ground war, but have not yet given the go-ahead for that, but they are preparing. we know that they have been firing with the air with the air strikes, but we also know that they have been firing from the sea. their ships are anchored just off of the sea there
egypt has recalled its ambassador to israel. in the meantime, the u.s. state department condemned the strikes fired from gaza and supporting israel's right to defend itself. i talked about all of this with sara sidner and also david kirkpatrick of "the new york times" and cnn's fareed zakaria. what is the latest on the attacks and the fallout? >> what we are seeing are more rockets coming into israel. there have been dozens of air strikes, as well since the killing of ahmed al...
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>> well, i'm more concerned of egypt. the muslim brotherhood is in power now, and it is unsteady power. they have to find the fine line between the secular military and the opponents. if there is a battle, it is inside egypt. >> and we were talking today earlier to find out that one by one all of the major security breaches are down played and in the end, we are left with general petraeus having had an affair, an affair discovered by the fbi under different circumstance, and in this circumstance, could he have ridden it out? >> well, he, himself, could not ride it out. he did the honorable thing and resigned. he knew that the announcement that he had been having an affair with someone not his wife, he knows the affect on this organization and the institution, and both the institution of the agency and of the military. and so he did exactly what one would expect of an honorable man and he tendered his resignation. >> and we have had general eisenhower, and general patton and president j.f. kennedy and all of them stayed in
>> well, i'm more concerned of egypt. the muslim brotherhood is in power now, and it is unsteady power. they have to find the fine line between the secular military and the opponents. if there is a battle, it is inside egypt. >> and we were talking today earlier to find out that one by one all of the major security breaches are down played and in the end, we are left with general petraeus having had an affair, an affair discovered by the fbi under different circumstance, and in this...
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with egypt at the back hamas will go all out. if they are telling hamas we are have the brother hood. and we have to find a way out of this with stabbility in tact that is going to be a different outcome. >> i think there is no question it was justified. the attacks, they had gone crazy in terms of the scope and intensity. the problem is that the people there, they have a tactical approach here. they are hitting back and have been trying to do this. israel has invaded gaza and these are tactical moves and they succeed. but what is the strategy to deal with gaza? how does this help and how does it play out with the regional strategy? so, i think there is no question it is just fied, the question is, is it smart? is. >> there is real concern and if you don't have cooperation, ultimately you can't control gaza. this undermines the authority and probably is going to undermine the un path which it might like because it shows that the palestinians are divided. we spoke to the prime minister. how big should this be for the us? the admin
with egypt at the back hamas will go all out. if they are telling hamas we are have the brother hood. and we have to find a way out of this with stabbility in tact that is going to be a different outcome. >> i think there is no question it was justified. the attacks, they had gone crazy in terms of the scope and intensity. the problem is that the people there, they have a tactical approach here. they are hitting back and have been trying to do this. israel has invaded gaza and these are...
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egypt mediated quietly to bring quiet to the region. three times in the last month and there have been 300 rockets fired at israel within the last month from inside gaza. every time we try to reach a ceasefire with hamas, it was violated from their side. we don't want the rocket fire. we'd be crazy to want rocket fire on tel aviv tonight. we have 5 million people under rocket fire from tel aviv to jerusalem down to the outskirts of gaza. we don't want this situation. >> both sides always say the other side broke the ceasefire. that i know you're representing a position and i respect that and i'm glad you came on here. i've got to ask you about the statehood question. for me, for decades now i've been saying don't go the violence route don't go to truffle, it's stupid, immoral not going to give you your position and you don't kill civilians and then have the moral high ground. they go for statehood and say this is the peaceful solution and this is exactly what israel did. we're going to the u.n. what's wrong with that? >> we are not sitt
egypt mediated quietly to bring quiet to the region. three times in the last month and there have been 300 rockets fired at israel within the last month from inside gaza. every time we try to reach a ceasefire with hamas, it was violated from their side. we don't want the rocket fire. we'd be crazy to want rocket fire on tel aviv tonight. we have 5 million people under rocket fire from tel aviv to jerusalem down to the outskirts of gaza. we don't want this situation. >> both sides always...
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that crisis in egypt is growing tonight. more than 200,000 protesters have filled cairo's tahrir square. they are angry with their new president, mohamed morsi who said last week that his decisions cannot be challenged by the courts which gives him almost absolute power. and our holly williams is above tahrir square in cairo this evening. holly, what's going on in the crowd behind you now? >> reporter: scott, we are seeing scenes reminisce september of the egyptian revolution. tahrir square was once again carpeted in people today, tens of thousands of people who poured in from every direction and they were chanting the same slogan that they chanted during the revolution. the people want the downfall of the regime. i was out on this square earlier today talking to people. some people are saying that they won't leave the streets until president morsi rescinds the decrees that have given him sweeping new powers. we've seen very low-level violence here in cairo, but in several other cities there have been violent confrontations
that crisis in egypt is growing tonight. more than 200,000 protesters have filled cairo's tahrir square. they are angry with their new president, mohamed morsi who said last week that his decisions cannot be challenged by the courts which gives him almost absolute power. and our holly williams is above tahrir square in cairo this evening. holly, what's going on in the crowd behind you now? >> reporter: scott, we are seeing scenes reminisce september of the egyptian revolution. tahrir...
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egypt needs to breathe through their nose and just stay where they are. hamas and israel are going to have to work this out, and they don't need to have other folks meddling other than to try to get them to calm down, you know, settle the situation a little bit. >> to the other story that we're following. obviously, the scandal involving the former cia director general david petraeus and general allen, john allen. secretary of defense leon panetta has jumped into all of this, ordering an ethics training for generals to be reviewed here. do you think, first of all, that that is the right way to go? do you think that's an adequate response at this time? you have been a general 30 years in the military. is this kind of review helpful? >> it is, suzanne. every time the military has a challenge that demonstrates a weakness in one of those elements that would -- that we would call foundational to the success of the military, you have to take what's called a stand-down or a review. you spend time focussing very narrowly and deeply on one particular vertical and
egypt needs to breathe through their nose and just stay where they are. hamas and israel are going to have to work this out, and they don't need to have other folks meddling other than to try to get them to calm down, you know, settle the situation a little bit. >> to the other story that we're following. obviously, the scandal involving the former cia director general david petraeus and general allen, john allen. secretary of defense leon panetta has jumped into all of this, ordering an...
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the historic ties between egypt and gaza in particular and egypt ruled gaza for something like 19 years or so. so, of course, there is a sense of outrage in egypt and anyway, we should remember it was never good between egypt and israel even under mub abak, but what the israelis now miss is sulaiman and the vice president of mubarak. he was tied to israeli intelligence. what kind of proximity and that kind of affinity is gone and what you have in hamas now is the sense that there is an islamist wage in the region and they see the islamist government in tunisia and they look around and see turkey hovering over the region with an islamist government and they feel the wind is blowing their way. >> do you think it is blowing their way? >> not at all because in the end the hamas people would be fooling themselves and the palestinians would pay the price for this kind of folly because the arab world is not going to march to the tune of hamas. the saudi monarchy, if you listen to what's happening and what's coming out of saudi arabia, the only thing the saudi monarch said was we need the rule
the historic ties between egypt and gaza in particular and egypt ruled gaza for something like 19 years or so. so, of course, there is a sense of outrage in egypt and anyway, we should remember it was never good between egypt and israel even under mub abak, but what the israelis now miss is sulaiman and the vice president of mubarak. he was tied to israeli intelligence. what kind of proximity and that kind of affinity is gone and what you have in hamas now is the sense that there is an islamist...
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egypt's prime minister paid a visit to gaza. somehow that going so far? >> well, it was originally planned it would be a three-hour cease fire while the egyptian prime minister was making this visit to gaza. according to our sources, it doesn't appear either side significantly reduced their level of military activity in gaza. certainly before the sun came up there was an intense air attack on gaza itself. it may have been lessened somewhat in the morning while the prime minister was touring gaza. but after he's gone, it's expected to get back to the same pace. >> there are elections coming up not too long from now in israel. palestinians are saying that may be part of the impetus for israel to be taking action. >> certainly this is what you hear oftentimes. tc it was the casame case in the 2008, 2009 offensive. they say the leaders are motivated by a desire to show they're strong on hamas. in fact, we spoke to one palestinian lawmaker who stressed the point that really this is all about politics. >> and ben, of course, one of the big concerns right now --
egypt's prime minister paid a visit to gaza. somehow that going so far? >> well, it was originally planned it would be a three-hour cease fire while the egyptian prime minister was making this visit to gaza. according to our sources, it doesn't appear either side significantly reduced their level of military activity in gaza. certainly before the sun came up there was an intense air attack on gaza itself. it may have been lessened somewhat in the morning while the prime minister was...
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how do you deal with that, egypt and jordan both condemning israel, your two allies in the region. they're saying, your prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, overplayed his hand and is possibly undermining israeli security. what do you say to that? >> there's a wrong and right side. the wrong side is the side that shoots thousands of missiles on civilians. more jews living in gaza, it was supposed to become the singapore of the middle east, but instead, they turned it into a launch pad of thousands of missiles, there's nothing to talk about. we have to defend ourselves. we owe it to ourselves and we owe it to the western world. with terror, you don't talk. there's no dialogue. you're putting the western world at greater risk. >> you know, if new jersey was being bombarded by missiles coming from a foreign state, the united states of america would retaliate, would stop that right away. we've taken missiles for the past eight years coming out of the gaza strip. we vacated the gaza strip. there's not one jew living there, yet instead of turning it into a haven of peace, they've turned i
how do you deal with that, egypt and jordan both condemning israel, your two allies in the region. they're saying, your prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, overplayed his hand and is possibly undermining israeli security. what do you say to that? >> there's a wrong and right side. the wrong side is the side that shoots thousands of missiles on civilians. more jews living in gaza, it was supposed to become the singapore of the middle east, but instead, they turned it into a launch pad of...
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last week's egypt prime minister visited with them and promised egypt's support and promised their actions would not go unnoticed. palestinian leaders have upped their demands in negotiations calling for the end of israel's five-year blockade on gaza and also calling for a pledge by israel not to fire on the territory again and an international deal ensuring that israel would keep its word. but back in the united states senator john mccain called for the u.s. to offer its own mediator to try to bring out a permanent truce. >> the united states of america has got to push as hard as we can to resolve this israeli/palestinian issue. so many events hinge on making that process go forward. find someone even as high ranking, frankly, as former president bill clinton to go and be the negotiator. i know he'd hate me for saying that, but we need a person of enormous prestige and influence to have these parties sit down together as an honest broker, but we have a lot of work to do to regain some credibility because we're crumbling all over the middle east. >>> any moment now president obama is set t
last week's egypt prime minister visited with them and promised egypt's support and promised their actions would not go unnoticed. palestinian leaders have upped their demands in negotiations calling for the end of israel's five-year blockade on gaza and also calling for a pledge by israel not to fire on the territory again and an international deal ensuring that israel would keep its word. but back in the united states senator john mccain called for the u.s. to offer its own mediator to try to...
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egypt decided to remove its ambassador to israel last night. we were talking to the foreign ministry, a spokesman there, who was telling us that they were not told immediately that they had to call egypt and ask if the ambassador had indeed left. and that turned out to be true. so you're seeing quite a bit of a response there from egypt. egypt making statements about what israel is doing in gaza, but israel responding, saying that they have been the target of 120 rockets since saturday. that has grown exponentially over the past day or so. they've seen now hundreds of rockets coming into israel, and they say as long as they are being attacked, they are going to return and retaliation for those attacks. >> sara sidner, live along the israel/gaza border, thank. >>> david petraeus will testify after all about the attack in benghazi. when he resigned last week, he withdrew from a congressional hearing. now the ex-cia director has agreed to meet behind closed doors with the senate committee some time soon and the house committee tomorrow. new york r
egypt decided to remove its ambassador to israel last night. we were talking to the foreign ministry, a spokesman there, who was telling us that they were not told immediately that they had to call egypt and ask if the ambassador had indeed left. and that turned out to be true. so you're seeing quite a bit of a response there from egypt. egypt making statements about what israel is doing in gaza, but israel responding, saying that they have been the target of 120 rockets since saturday. that...
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the cover of the egypt daily news website today proclaimed egypt's new pharaoh. a chip off the old mubarak block. and morsi, lincoln in deguise or another mubarak. and the stock market didn't think this was a good move either. it plunged 10%. stocks opened down today and barely moved up by the end of the day. so this new president in egypt in which the united states has placed so much hope, starting to look too much like the dictator he replaced and is he the leader of an islamist government that will become more and more extreme, threatening america? on the phone with us tonight, the founder of egypt's freedom party and ed hussein joins me here. ed, i want to start with you. morsi was credited with brokering that cease fire between israel and hamas. it seems within hours, he swept away with all these powers, saying his word will ride over judges. was he taking advantage of his success? >> without doubt, he knew he had enough political capital to make this move and just before, he had signed a deal with the imf for a $4 billion loan program. he thought he had eno
the cover of the egypt daily news website today proclaimed egypt's new pharaoh. a chip off the old mubarak block. and morsi, lincoln in deguise or another mubarak. and the stock market didn't think this was a good move either. it plunged 10%. stocks opened down today and barely moved up by the end of the day. so this new president in egypt in which the united states has placed so much hope, starting to look too much like the dictator he replaced and is he the leader of an islamist government...
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all the investment egypt would need. so he's putting egypt's needs first and foremost and that suggests that actually the economic imperfect it tiff is trumping the ideological imperatives and that's actually a positive sign for the future. >> with hillary clinton going to the region and with these positive signs that morsi has already put out there and we're hearing different things from israeli radio as well as from al jazeera, what does that signal to you? >> well, i think the most important thing for secretary clinton is to make sure that the commitments that are being made are quite clear. there's no misunderstandings, and it's very important to reinforce those commitments so that the ceasefire that takes hold doesn't turn out just to be a lull before the resumption of fighting. i think that's the most important thing. secondly, i think it's very important that the secretary will not only be seeing prime minister netanyahu and president morsi but also she is going to see president abbas in ramallah. he's been the ac
all the investment egypt would need. so he's putting egypt's needs first and foremost and that suggests that actually the economic imperfect it tiff is trumping the ideological imperatives and that's actually a positive sign for the future. >> with hillary clinton going to the region and with these positive signs that morsi has already put out there and we're hearing different things from israeli radio as well as from al jazeera, what does that signal to you? >> well, i think the...
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. >> so you mentioned the egypt n egyptians in the past, given the instability right now in egypt, is the new egyptian government poised at all to play a role here? >> i mean in the old days under mubarak you have the intelligence chief who passed from the scene try to broker something between israelis and hamas. he had good contacts with the palestinians and the israelis. you got a different situation here. i mean, hamas is -- as you know, an outgrowth of the muslim brotherhood. i think morrissy will try to walk a fine line, particularly if they're increasing civilian casualties in gaza between blasting, but preserving his relationship and the economic support in the assistance he needs from the international community. he did noes the no wan -- >> aaron david miller, thank you so much with the woodrow wilson international center. good to see you. >> a pleasure. >>> as we reported, president barack obama just lashed out at two republican senators. john mccain and lindsey graham, at his news conference in washington. senators graham and mccain said today that they would block the pres
. >> so you mentioned the egypt n egyptians in the past, given the instability right now in egypt, is the new egyptian government poised at all to play a role here? >> i mean in the old days under mubarak you have the intelligence chief who passed from the scene try to broker something between israelis and hamas. he had good contacts with the palestinians and the israelis. you got a different situation here. i mean, hamas is -- as you know, an outgrowth of the muslim brotherhood. i...
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senior fellow of middle eastern studies -- let me start with you and where you're standing tonight, egypt and jordan both condemning israel. your two allies in the region. they're saying your prime minister netanyahu has overplayed his hand and probably is undermining his security. what do you say to that? >> there's a wrong side and a right side. the wrong side is the side that shoots thousands of missiles on civilians. what israel is doing now is the right thing. weaver defending ourselves. that's the right thing to do. >> is neftali right? there's a wrong side and a right side? >> it's not as simple as that. it's not as black and white as that, unfortunately. on the other side, there are also people who are dying. 20 people have died today. dozens more injured and i suspect overnight, we will see more deaths, so the carnage on both sides doesn't help anybody. >> with what we've seen that is so disturbing, what is next? is there the peace talks somehow out of this, hard to imagine, start again? >> you know, when someone is determined to eliminate you, when they're own charter says they
senior fellow of middle eastern studies -- let me start with you and where you're standing tonight, egypt and jordan both condemning israel. your two allies in the region. they're saying your prime minister netanyahu has overplayed his hand and probably is undermining his security. what do you say to that? >> there's a wrong side and a right side. the wrong side is the side that shoots thousands of missiles on civilians. what israel is doing now is the right thing. weaver defending...
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there's a lot in it for egypt. mr. morsi has to be a pragmatist. he knows he can't alienate the united states. he may want to impose a measure of islamism. >> thanks so much for enlightening us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> we'll take a quick break and be back with much more in the newsroom. meet the 5-passenger ford c-max hybrid. when you're carrying a lot of weight, c-max has a nice little trait, you see, c-max helps you load your freight, with its foot-activated lift gate. but that's not all you'll see, cause c-max also beats prius v, with better mpg. say hi to the all-new 47 combined mpg c-max hybrid. >>> 30 minutes past the hour. good morning, i'm carol costello. former cia director david petraeus testifying on capitol hill about the deadly attacks in benghazi, talking about what he knew and when. the firestorm over benghazi, it just keeps getting more splo explosive. here are members of the house foreign affairs committee in a briefing on the attacks yesterday. >> what is clear is that this administration, including the president himse
there's a lot in it for egypt. mr. morsi has to be a pragmatist. he knows he can't alienate the united states. he may want to impose a measure of islamism. >> thanks so much for enlightening us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> we'll take a quick break and be back with much more in the newsroom. meet the 5-passenger ford c-max hybrid. when you're carrying a lot of weight, c-max has a nice little trait, you see, c-max helps you load your freight, with its foot-activated...
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and fred, tell us why egypt is such a concern this time around. >> oh, egypt is a huge concern this time around, carol, because first of all, it has a new and very islamist government in place that, of course, for many people especially hamas in gaza believe it's more on the sides of hamas than governments in egypt have been before. there are people who believe egypt might not stand idle by as this is happening as the government did in the past when hosni mubarak was still in power. certainly egypt plays a lynchpin role in all of this. the egyptians not very happy, not only did they call for condemnation of israeli air strikes in gaza but also recalled their ambassador here from israel and responded the israeli ambassador. certainly egypt is a big concern. meanwhile, the israeli military operation in gaza is going on. there have been further air strikes. about 100 missile sites targeted by the israeli military. they're saying they're trying to target especially medium and long-range missiles they believe could be a threat to towns like tel aviv and other towns around gaza. israeli prime
and fred, tell us why egypt is such a concern this time around. >> oh, egypt is a huge concern this time around, carol, because first of all, it has a new and very islamist government in place that, of course, for many people especially hamas in gaza believe it's more on the sides of hamas than governments in egypt have been before. there are people who believe egypt might not stand idle by as this is happening as the government did in the past when hosni mubarak was still in power....
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aid to egypt now could be in jep jeopardy. we broker add cease-fire which is incredibly fragile, but this is not acceptable, not what the american taxpayers expect and our dollars will be directly related to the progress towards democracy. >> mccain says the u.s. could as marshal world public opinion against morsi, harris. >> harris: what about the democrats and their tone? it seems they were kind of going back and forth on their reaction. >> everyone is anxious to see what happens next and they're waiting to see, bun democratic congressman stressed the importance of patience and diplomacy. we're going to go in there and bully them into doing the right thing, why diplomacy is so important here and the way we do it is so important. we have to try to influence behind the scenes. >> and the egyps stock markets are going to dive in the wake of this, dropping nearly ten parents, harris. >> harris: thank you very much. fox confirming republican peter king will step down as part of the house homeland security committee. congressman k
aid to egypt now could be in jep jeopardy. we broker add cease-fire which is incredibly fragile, but this is not acceptable, not what the american taxpayers expect and our dollars will be directly related to the progress towards democracy. >> mccain says the u.s. could as marshal world public opinion against morsi, harris. >> harris: what about the democrats and their tone? it seems they were kind of going back and forth on their reaction. >> everyone is anxious to see what...
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egypt's role in this conflict growing as many countries tout egypt as the potential peacemaker in all of this. straight to reza sayah in cairo for us. so today, reza, the egyptian leadership met with hamas. a group the u.s. classifies as a terrorist organization. should washington be concerned about egypt's role in this conflict? >> reporter: well, first off, we should point out that at this point it is not clear what egypt's role is in this conflict. it is not clear if what we're hearing is rhetoric or something behind the rhetoric. i think egypt's role will be clearer and clearer in the coming days and weeks. as far as the question whether washington should be worried, it depends how you process and digest all these developments. if someone sitting in washington and they buy into this very fiery rhetoric, sure, they could be concerned. rhetoric has been tough. rhetoric in tough condemnation by mohamed morsi. if you look at what is happening beyond the rhetoric, you can say egypt has not taken any steps that can be viewed as extreme or radical, certainly haven't taken up arms against
egypt's role in this conflict growing as many countries tout egypt as the potential peacemaker in all of this. straight to reza sayah in cairo for us. so today, reza, the egyptian leadership met with hamas. a group the u.s. classifies as a terrorist organization. should washington be concerned about egypt's role in this conflict? >> reporter: well, first off, we should point out that at this point it is not clear what egypt's role is in this conflict. it is not clear if what we're hearing...
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egypt needs western money. european and importantly, united states money just to survive economically. the sense is i don't think any of these people want to go to a ground war. israel has an election in two months. they don't want dead soldiers. netanyahu doesn't want dead soldiers. egypt can't afford for things to go south for them as well. i get the feeling that everyone is waiting for a truce to come out to be brought up probably in egypt, and everyone can say they both won and go back to the highly unsatisfactory status quo. >> let's listen to one egyptian official what they believe could be a peace treaty. >> respecting the peace treaty does not mean they're indifferent what is going on along our borders, and what is touching our -- we cannot be indifferent to human suffering. so we are abiding by our obligations, but we are active to help establish real peace in the area. >> what do you make of that? >> we were saying before, there is a need for this truce to come out. i think there's probably being one
egypt needs western money. european and importantly, united states money just to survive economically. the sense is i don't think any of these people want to go to a ground war. israel has an election in two months. they don't want dead soldiers. netanyahu doesn't want dead soldiers. egypt can't afford for things to go south for them as well. i get the feeling that everyone is waiting for a truce to come out to be brought up probably in egypt, and everyone can say they both won and go back to...
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bringing the end to a crisis, a high stakes situation for egypt and the u.n. in fighting is the most intense the middle east has seen. jim frederick is joining us. as i mentioned, the latest development. the president, while he is in asia, making these important phone calls. obviously, wanting the same goal that everyone does at this point. >> yeah. i think the interesting thing so far is how removed the united states has been from the situation, from the negotiations going on in egypt and so people are starting to ask, is this a problem that the united states has to come in and solve? obama has hands-off. he's traveling throughout asia. the united states' voice here has been largely silent. i think part of that is purposeful, and i think part of that is leading from behind some of the strategies the united states has tried to pioneer over the past couple of years, and also i think it's a realization that the united states might not have as much leverage in the region or countries around the region it had a couple of years before the arab spring. >> isn't ther
bringing the end to a crisis, a high stakes situation for egypt and the u.n. in fighting is the most intense the middle east has seen. jim frederick is joining us. as i mentioned, the latest development. the president, while he is in asia, making these important phone calls. obviously, wanting the same goal that everyone does at this point. >> yeah. i think the interesting thing so far is how removed the united states has been from the situation, from the negotiations going on in egypt...
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it's a re-creation of the imperial egypt, or the pharaohnic egypt if you want to use a cliche. egypt wants to play that role and has been trying to play that role unsuccessfully with respect to syria and trying to recapture in diplomacy what the revolution did recapture in the arab popular imagination. so this is a place where u.s. interests, morsi and israeli interests, because you have some of the israeli right who say great, let's make gaza egypt's problem forever. so there's a funny way that everybody's power dynamic goes the same way here. >> of course, the big dissenter are the people in the streets of tahrir square. >> this goes back to your putin question and what i thought of, the point is morsi is putin, he's not stalin. so this isn't mubarak. we're not going to back to mubarak, but we're not proceeding to british style constitutional style democracy and american policy will have to juggle both things. >> number one, i thought it was inevitable and saturday before last, i predicted that egypt would play this role, because everybody would need egypt to play this role a
it's a re-creation of the imperial egypt, or the pharaohnic egypt if you want to use a cliche. egypt wants to play that role and has been trying to play that role unsuccessfully with respect to syria and trying to recapture in diplomacy what the revolution did recapture in the arab popular imagination. so this is a place where u.s. interests, morsi and israeli interests, because you have some of the israeli right who say great, let's make gaza egypt's problem forever. so there's a funny way...
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. >>> breaking news from egypt. thousands of protesters gathered in tahrir square. 6:15 at night there, many have been chanting step down in reaction to the decree issue by egypt's new president that grants him absolute power. the sixth straight day of protest after morsi issued his decree last thursday. earlier today, the protest turning violent on a street near tahrir square. at least three protesters have been killed since the weekend. nbc live from cairo. and the crowd in tahrir square has been growing, building over the past hours. explain what we're seeing now. >> reporter: well, behind me, probably tens of thousands of egyptians have gathered, been here since the early hours of the morning. in fact, some have been camped out for the past six days. many songs, chants, slogans reminiscent of two years ago, calling on the same things they did two years ago, which is for the president of egypt to step down. they've changed the name, obviously, to reflect egypt's new islamist president. you mentioned that incident
. >>> breaking news from egypt. thousands of protesters gathered in tahrir square. 6:15 at night there, many have been chanting step down in reaction to the decree issue by egypt's new president that grants him absolute power. the sixth straight day of protest after morsi issued his decree last thursday. earlier today, the protest turning violent on a street near tahrir square. at least three protesters have been killed since the weekend. nbc live from cairo. and the crowd in tahrir...
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egypt would be the typical choice years ago. in light of the fact that president morsi has condemned israel about this, any awkwardness or is he just the only choice? >> reporter: well, it's interesting because egypt is trying to broker a peace deal, but the point you're making is a good one. they're not only brokers, they're also participants in the process. one of the things that hamas is calling for is that the border that hamas has with egypt be opened up. in the past, egypt has resisted that and now it appears that is one of the issues being negotiated. to what extent israel wants to seem like they've resolved this crisis could depend very much on their willingness to open at least some of that border crossing for goods and supplies. so in the past they played a very different role. now they've very clearly aligned themselves with the hamas government. how far are they willing to go? that remains to be seen. we'll have to keep in mind that the egyptian government receives billions of dollars in financial aid from the u.s. a
egypt would be the typical choice years ago. in light of the fact that president morsi has condemned israel about this, any awkwardness or is he just the only choice? >> reporter: well, it's interesting because egypt is trying to broker a peace deal, but the point you're making is a good one. they're not only brokers, they're also participants in the process. one of the things that hamas is calling for is that the border that hamas has with egypt be opened up. in the past, egypt has...
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and i think even in egypt when you have morsi says, well, the egypt of today is not like the egypt of yesterday. the arab world of today is not like the arab world of yesterday. but fundamentally the mandate now, the mandate of morsi and the mandate of the muslim brotherhood in egypt is to govern this burdened country 80 million some people and the idea that the egyptians even the egyptians with the closest to hamas that they would give a kind of veto over their own policies to hamas i don't give that much credence. >> do you believe the israeli/egyptian peace treaty which was signed in washington in 1979 will survive? >> i believe the egyptian/israeli treaty will survive because it's important for both parties. i think the peace was made and kept by mubarak. i think now the morsi people will not pay homage to this piece, they will not praise it in full daylight but they will abide by it because they know it's essential for their relationship with the united states and for their ability to floetd loans from the international monetary fund and to keep this economy and this society aflo
and i think even in egypt when you have morsi says, well, the egypt of today is not like the egypt of yesterday. the arab world of today is not like the arab world of yesterday. but fundamentally the mandate now, the mandate of morsi and the mandate of the muslim brotherhood in egypt is to govern this burdened country 80 million some people and the idea that the egyptians even the egyptians with the closest to hamas that they would give a kind of veto over their own policies to hamas i don't...
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egypt has been constructed from the past. we hope they will continue to fulfill this role now in the future. jenna: i ask that question because we know how important this relationship is for your country and all of ours. i want to talk about "the new york times" article that he wrote about today. it was published and he said that hamas is not interested in peace. they want violence and they want to promote terror. it is not a rational thing according to the way that you laid this out. why negotiate at all through any here in this region? >> they don't want to negotiate at all, they don't want to speak with us. they want to destroy us. they don't actually want to just kill israelis, but jews throughout the world. they are a genocide organization. but they can negotiate with egypt and others where hamas does not have free reign to shoot at us and they don't have access to iranian rockets. jenna: you said that they don't have free range to fire the rockets, but with or without hamas's ideology, beyond just the immediate, what yo
egypt has been constructed from the past. we hope they will continue to fulfill this role now in the future. jenna: i ask that question because we know how important this relationship is for your country and all of ours. i want to talk about "the new york times" article that he wrote about today. it was published and he said that hamas is not interested in peace. they want violence and they want to promote terror. it is not a rational thing according to the way that you laid this out....
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each one negotiated with egypt. >> egypt played the central role. it calls to mind the role that the mubarak regime played in this and we are coming out of this week in which the combination of that and morsi declaring himself these broad powers looks like the relationship between the american-mubarak relationship. >> it's a recreation of the imper cal egypt. be it noted that i am the one who went there. but, the u.s. needs egypt to play that role and egypt wants to play that role, has been trying to play it with respect to syria trying to recapture what they did in the arab popular imagination. this is a place where u.s. interests, morsi's interests and ironically israeli interests because, in fact, you have some on the right that say great, let's make gaza egypt's problem forever. there's a funny way the power dynamic goes the same way. >> to create a stable relationship. the decenters are the population of egypt which toppled the government that was playing that exact same role. >> it goes back to your putin question and what i thought of when i
each one negotiated with egypt. >> egypt played the central role. it calls to mind the role that the mubarak regime played in this and we are coming out of this week in which the combination of that and morsi declaring himself these broad powers looks like the relationship between the american-mubarak relationship. >> it's a recreation of the imper cal egypt. be it noted that i am the one who went there. but, the u.s. needs egypt to play that role and egypt wants to play that role,...
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of course, he also spoke with egypt's president morsi, reiterated similar ideas, emphasized the importance of a long-term, more durable solution. he thanked morsi for the role he played in brokering this cease-fire. i'm told by senior administration officials that the president's relationship with mohamed morsi really got stronger throughout this process. so, they're encouraged by that. they are also saying secretary clinton really played a key role in these negotiations, so they are cautiously optimistic. >> two thoughts on that. i mean, obviously, secretary clinton's role, it was, you know, a high-risk decision to send her there. she's managed to come away with a deal. obviously, she and the president deserve a tremendous amount of credit. also this idea of strengthening the relationship with morsi because what i've heard from administration officials is they're concerned they haven't had the leverage with morsi they may have had with the previous head of egypt. are you picking that up as well? >> reporter: absolutely. and i think that was the concern sort of entering this process of try
of course, he also spoke with egypt's president morsi, reiterated similar ideas, emphasized the importance of a long-term, more durable solution. he thanked morsi for the role he played in brokering this cease-fire. i'm told by senior administration officials that the president's relationship with mohamed morsi really got stronger throughout this process. so, they're encouraged by that. they are also saying secretary clinton really played a key role in these negotiations, so they are cautiously...
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>> hamas is getting moral support if you will primarily from egypt. hamas is considered to be the muslim brotherhood of the palestinians and president morsi of egypt has been stepping in trying to assert. he withdrew his ambassador. not a huge move but trying to lend moral support. they're condemning the israeli actions calling for calm. now there's some talk about them canceling the camp david accords, revisiting that. forget that. at the end of the day, as much criticism as the egypts get from the americans and the israelis, they may end up being the ones to negotiate a broker's truce in this whole deal because they do hold sway with hamas. >> is it clear how long this is going on? israel will say -- >> absolutely, 50 years. >> well, and a very large umbrella kind of sense. but recently, you know, we are talking about israel saying they were bombarded in recent weeks. hamas says they're being bombarded in recent days. which is it? >> typical tit for tat. it has a life of its own and it could spread to a much wider region, much wider effects on the d
>> hamas is getting moral support if you will primarily from egypt. hamas is considered to be the muslim brotherhood of the palestinians and president morsi of egypt has been stepping in trying to assert. he withdrew his ambassador. not a huge move but trying to lend moral support. they're condemning the israeli actions calling for calm. now there's some talk about them canceling the camp david accords, revisiting that. forget that. at the end of the day, as much criticism as the egypts...
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and how it is now unfolding in egypt? >> the good news is you have a civilian, in theically elected president. the arab states are much more adept at acquiring power than sharing it. muhammad morsi comes from a party that is exclusivist and comes from the party, the muslim brotherhood and it's my way or the highway. so if there was an opportunity to consolidate power to make sure that the constituent assembly is filled with his supporters, traditional mudz muslims, looking to make it a more conservative, traditional state, he will take it. there is opposition. i just wonder whether the seculars and the liberals have the kind of street cred and fire power in the proverbial streets to really provide an effective counter challenge over time. >> eric: it seems the islamists and the muslim brotherhood would have an upper hand and would win any type of confrontation. >> i think that certainly is the way it's played out over the last year or so. but you have the military waiting very uneasily in the wings. its credibility is on
and how it is now unfolding in egypt? >> the good news is you have a civilian, in theically elected president. the arab states are much more adept at acquiring power than sharing it. muhammad morsi comes from a party that is exclusivist and comes from the party, the muslim brotherhood and it's my way or the highway. so if there was an opportunity to consolidate power to make sure that the constituent assembly is filled with his supporters, traditional mudz muslims, looking to make it a...
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and that's more billions of dollars in investment that egypt desperately needs. back to you. >> thank you very much for the latest out of cairo. >>> tonight, far from that story, but one that people are still talking about, the second highest jackpot in lottery history. it is up for grabs. it is not just the lucky ticket holders who win big. we'll tell you who else will be cashing in on the now $550 million prize and you can join the "news nation" on facebook. q? anyone have occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas, bloating? yeah. one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these digestive issues with three strains of good bacteria. approved! [ phillips' lady ] live the regular life. phillips'. >>> we invite you to join the news nation on twitter. >>> well, the largest powerball jackpot ever up to $550 million. that number could get even bigger before tonight's drawing. people across the country are buying up tickets, more than $1 billion in tickets sold since the current jackpot started building. nbc is at a store in new york and it alw
and that's more billions of dollars in investment that egypt desperately needs. back to you. >> thank you very much for the latest out of cairo. >>> tonight, far from that story, but one that people are still talking about, the second highest jackpot in lottery history. it is up for grabs. it is not just the lucky ticket holders who win big. we'll tell you who else will be cashing in on the now $550 million prize and you can join the "news nation" on facebook. q? anyone...